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termdoc
Starting Member
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 Posted - 04/08/2009 : 7:52:28 PM
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Is 315lbs a typo?
I checked every track I know of that races box stock wings and the minimum weight is 275lbs at all of them.
My son is completely average weight for his age (10 years old - 68lbs) and his kart weighs 285lbs with already about 8 - 10 lbs of lead.
Whats up with this new minimum weight? 
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Paul the Announcer
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Posted - 04/09/2009 : 07:05:56 AM
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| It conforms to other NWOK tracks that are running these classes |
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termdoc
Starting Member
USA
14 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2009 : 3:04:40 PM
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Paul, thanks for your timely and, I must say, highly detailed reply.
I thought when NWOK was conceived it was a way to bring racers together under one set of standard governing rules. What I see has happened is that NWOK has done nothing but distance themselves from all other tracks and racers. Now, surely, no one that runs mainly at, say Thunderhill, or would like to travel from Knoxville is going to bolt on 30lbs of lead, join your organization, buy new tires and, hopefully, rent a transponder, is even going to consider NWOK tracks as an option.
I sure am glad I didn't drink the kool-aid when it was first passed around.
Bruce Urman
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Paul the Announcer
Administrator
1020 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2009 : 7:15:25 PM
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Bruce,
Thank you for your continued criticism of the NWOK. Your initial thoughts of the purpose of the NWOK were and are correct. That reasoning is why the NWOK continues to grow across the country. If one looks at the "big picture" and not myopicly at their own particular geographic area as the center of the universe, then the idea and ideals make sence.
No organization can or will be the ultimate answer for every racer. Often times a race team wants to attempt to bring about rule changes to suit their particular interests without looking at the broad stroke of impact on all. This rule change came about by the vote of several other NWOK tracks. It brings about uniformity within the NWOK regardless of geographic location.
I am going to comment on issues you refer to;
"NWOK has done nothing but distance themselves from all other tracks and racers."
All other tracks and racers? You mean the tracks that you race at locally that impact just you.
"buy new tires"
Eventually, you may just have to buy a new set of tires. Even with the pathetic racing that I do, I need new tires every season.
"rent a transponder"
Transponders are a requirement at Copper Creek, not an NWOK requirement. Please don't confuse apples and oranges.
"highly detailed reply"
The reply was sufficient to address the question. However, it is my opinion and evidenced by your writing that you, your sponsor, and your ilk have bad feelings toward the organizers of the NWOK. You take those bad feelings and turn them against anything associated with the organizers ie; the NWOK and Copper Creek. To that end I would make the following suggestions
1. Find a racing program that fits your needs.
2. Race that program and have fun.
3. Work in a positive manner to change programs you have an interest in without the continued negative sniping and sarcasm.
4. Have a great 2009 racing season and instill values you feel are important in your youthful racer.
Now, you can consider these suggestions or reject them as you see fit. I grow weary of addressing the nay-sayers who want to only complain and undermine the NWOK. I will, however continue to correct misguided information as I see fit. Perhaps you would like to take the issue to a different forum. I have enough to do here.
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termdoc
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 04/11/2009 : 12:55:41 AM
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HoooWeeee - Someone pass me a tissue...
Paul,
I have looked at the "BIG PICTURE". Let's see - Last season my son and I raced at Thunderhill (85 miles), Sherburne County Fairgrounds (50 miles), Golden Spike (70 miles), Knoxville, Ia (5 hours - lots of miles), Motodome in Staples, MN (120 miles), and Hartville, MO (12 hour drive - more miles than I want to remember) and Copper Creek for the KOW (130 miles) - Can you or yours say that?. You know what - no weight difference - no different tire rule - no age difference. My son and I had a blast at all of the tracks, win or lose. So I guess I am not looking "myopically" at my own geographic area.
As far as a race team who wants to change the rules to fit themselves - give me a break. Where did I suggest that?
How about NWOK looking at all of the other tracks that run "BOX STOCK WINGS" and seeing what THEY are doing? Who's changing rules?
Now, I'll add, I spoke with someone close to the issue and learned that some of the southern tracks race box stocks until they're 15years old. Well, that explains the weight issue - which was my only reason for replying to this post in the first place, and to which you didn't include in your response. I would not let my son race with someone who has been racing box stocks for - let's say - 7 YEARS!!! - Adults are one thing - kids are different.
As far as organizers to NWOK - you're way off base. I know PW, I probably knew about NWOK and its ideas before most others, I continue to like and respect PW and would like nothing more than to race at his place of business, which is why I've found it necessary to **** about the decisions that affect the majority of the racers in this class.
As far as my sponsor - I finally found one this year - He's paying for my fuel - Metro Petro - On the U of M campus next to the new stadium.
As for my "ilk" - I'm having a physical at the end of the month and I'll be sure to have him check it out - but thanks for bringing it up
Now - get your dictionary back out - look up some more big words - but come back to, racing - classes - common good.
Have a good day,
Bruce
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Paul the Announcer
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Posted - 04/11/2009 : 07:29:13 AM
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Bruce,
Thank you for correcting me. You are, of course, right.
Now it is time for me to get back to reading my word-a-day calendar.
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Lewis Racing
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 04/12/2009 : 12:20:06 PM
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| I just have one question, wouldn't adding 50 lbs to a kart be a safety issue. I know that it is supposed to be secure but there is always the possiblility of something falling off. Can we just put 2 seats in it and have one driver and one passanger? lol If that is the new rule does anyone have 150 lbs of lead to add to 3 karts? |
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Hot Rod
Starting Member
USA
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 Posted - 04/13/2009 : 12:33:28 AM
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| Just remember you can always use an anchor..LOL |
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Paul the Announcer
Administrator
1020 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2009 : 07:16:11 AM
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In conversations with other tracks we will be returning to last years weight in the box stock and R-box stock classes. As with motors, local rules will apply to the R-box and Box classes.
So... take out the extra seat, stop melting lead, and let's go racing.
Additional note: Southern tracks ARE NOT allowing 15 year olds to run in their NWOK box-stock classes. They may allow that in their open box stock classes but since that is of no concern to the NWOK I don't know that answer. |
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Box Stock Weight????
